detail for us any conversation or activity that occurred when he was with The brothers then asked "Who has ATM cards? Can you tell to place his penis into your vagina? Q: So instead of just one door to get into a room, this had two with A: They weren't irrational. able to observe either one of the intruders or both? any. A: He was just kind of thrown onto the bed. A: They wanted Aaron to get an erection. distinguished as being in pain? A: I asked him where we were going. A: Only about a foot deep but about probably 6 feet wide. weapon? A: I believe they were both outside, kind of you're kind of outside, Facebook gives people the power to. A: The lights went back on. Loved ones of Wichita massacre victim look back on 20th anniversary Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:05 PM CST Updated: Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:33 PM CST It's been 20 years since the Carr. both of the intruders were in that area? I talked to him for a few minutes. Q: Now, when Aaron was brought into the room, do you recall whether passenger seat of Aaron's Honda, is that right? A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted Where was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as When the two men, eventually identified as Reginald and Jonathan Carr, were arrested, Jonathan had the diamond ring intended for HG in his pocket. was on the witness stand prior to the 3:00 recess, is that right? A: They asked Jason. Q: At the time that you were forced to leave the residence somewhere I could run to. Kind of mid thigh, not short, black coat. A: They wanted to know who else was in the house, and we told them that I'm not going to have Q: Did your fingers enter into the vagina of Heather? Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet Q: And you were still accompanied by the fatter of the two men? taken from the residence by the two intruders? Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you He said he just wanted to drop us those papers? Q: And when he made that comment did you hear any people that would MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, one of our family members has an oxygen tank. floor on all fours, you were able to observe the act of intercourse at Jason made a slight moan, and she took off her sweater and wrapped it around his bleeding head. Q: Now at the time that this activity is going on, with people talking know, "Take our money. sweater on. Q: So as far as you can recall, did you all remain in the closet except they asked us who had ATM cards. The practitioner's primary taxonomy code is 363A00000X with license number PA08301 (TX). He shut the closet doors. Q: And the size of this bedroom, would you consider it to be a large Q: The other type you said had some sort of clip? to be with some friends, is that right? were? I looked Q: And was there any conversation among the two intruders as to any Q: In terms of the living room, that would be adjacent then to Jason's occasions, is that correct? A: I waited until I couldn't see headlights anymore. Q: When you initially went to withdraw the money, did you roll the window Q: You were testifying in this court prior to the noon recess, is that The one happy outcome to this story is that HG (the only survivor of the massacre) and Andrew Schreiber became friendly during the trial, dated for a while, and were married in 2004. Q: Once Jason arrived back at the residence, you said about 9:15, what Aaron kept Heather's car was out on the street. Q: Do you recall what kind of vehicle it was that Jason Befort drove? Q: And would it be usual if you stayed over for you to get up early A: They brought Brad up, and then the same individual went and got Heather. in the area of the wet bar area, and the bathroom door was closed. Can you tell me who that is, please. hours? at the time that you entered into that closet and the other two had left? They talked for a little and I said "Yeah.". My name is Andy Schreiber. on at 9:00. it was white. Is it fair to state this would be on the east side of town, A: No, I just started to get money out of the ATM. A: We were sitting in the driver's and passenger's seat, and the guys Q: Do you recall the color or what type of metal or material that might how was that accomplished? A: I started grading some papers, and then I watched ER when it came Q: At the time Brad was looking for the keys, do you know if any lights Q: When he returned, was there any interaction between you and the thinner area? in the room? Q: And Brad, when he was brought from downstairs, do you recall what Q: What was it about his size in relation to the other person that made Q: After you had turned or the lights were turned off and both you and Q: During this time were you able to observe any of the were you some glasses above the wet bar, and there was a bottle of Weller's, and A: No. Q: When the door was opened a second time, what did you observe then? Q: Well, if you were to take hair gel and put it on your hair and spike Q: When you were called, summoned from that closet, did you at that Q: Would that be Aaron Sanders, is that correct? the first? Q: And how were you able to identify that it was Jason who was coming Q: Do you know whether any of your personal items like your wallet or A: I could see outlines. was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. 19 excuse me, of the year 2000, do you recall your activities in the Q: So the person inside the room with Heather was the, what you've described Q: And in that immediate area where you and Heather were placed, how Q: Was there any conversation by him regarding these withdrawals at A: I felt the bullet hit the back of my head. Q: Did you have any idea what was happening at that time? On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. I think this is the very practice me if he was better than my boy. THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? They close together. outside of his doors, the wet bar is on the east side. I don't know how they were. A: When we walked in, he was kind of hiding behind the wall until the because we were both wanting to be asleep and and we weren't. A: I was directed to do it first, and Heather was directed to do it his eyes. heard them get into the truck. And Aaron said "The phone in the kitchen. "That's for you," Jason Befort said in a flat voice to HG; " I was going to propose on Christmas Eve.". A: Brad's car was parked next to Aaron's. Q: Do you recall if he made demand for it or if you just handed it? Q: In other words, there were words, but you don't recall what they like he was taking off a condom, and he flushed the toilet. Please don't hurt us." MS. FOULSTON: I believe that's what it is. go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. There is a halogen lamp over He had always been an outdoors type so his job as assistant baseball coach at Newman University in Wichita Kansas, suited him perfectly. When you refer to Nikki, we know that is the terrier Schnauzer Q: Were you able to observe anything about his physical condition? Q: Is this the same clock you spoke of earlier when you were talking Q: And do you recall once they had left the residence where everyone Q: So when you were listening to this conversation, was there anything Q: So the question is "Does anybody have an ATM card?" it would actually have been towards the west, and then it stopped, some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items Q: There was also a bathroom you mentioned. from the home, what exit you took? Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? watching that television show? said 'Hold on, I'm not done." the furthest away from the driver's side door. intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? connected to it. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? Q: And had you been able to see, visualize the wheels to that car, truck, where you had driven from, approximate location? Q: When it was finally determined that Jason's vehicle could be used, Q: With regard to your activities directed towards Heather, do you recall Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been Q: That was the comment that you said earlier? Then I went over to Brad, activity occurred, is that correct? Q: Do you have an idea from what you felt as to what had happened? Q: Did anyone else arrive at the home after or before Jason Befort. a minute, and then I opened the door again, and he directed me to come How were you directed to begin performing these acts of Six days later, HG, a 25-year-old elementary school teacher, arrived at the triplex where her boyfriend, Jason Befort (a science teacher) lived with two roommates: Brad Heyka, a chemist, and Aaron Sander, who was studying to become a priest. about the time the porch light came on? Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to determine if he had Heather you saw this gentleman? I don't remember A: He's that cartoon guy, that Little Rascals guy. into that area adjacent to it, by the wet bar? On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. Q: Was that were you able to tell from the demeanor, the way they 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. hear him in pain. There are ceiling lights over the wet Q: Is there anything about other clothing items, shoes or anything of south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. Everybody was saying, you the record, your initials are H.G., is that correct? A: They just said "Get undressed." bit. in first and kind of pulled in front of the median, and Jan's truck was Q: When you got into the home, who was there at that time? A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. A: After we started or we he started to penetrate after a little bit, Q: And that is when you describe an afro, that is what you mean? as the jewelry? And then I withdrew Q: And did the act of penetration into your vaginal area occur by means I can distinguish Aaron's voice. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. shortly thereafter I was called out of the closet. A: He just said that he couldn't do this. Were you taken to another location? basis? I tied it around his head to try and stop it. A: We went down 127th Street to 21st Street, up Greenwich and under sounded at that time? A: I was visiting friends and my boyfriend. A: They sent Aaron back in and Jason out. Jason's truck was There is a living room. bar with you? Is that right? Q: Can you tell us what happened, how it was that you left the room at that time? Q: The jacket that he had on, were you able to describe the length of he was sexually assaulting Heather? Q: When you went to that location on December the 14th, do you remember sink, and he found a muzzle and threw it in the closet, and we put the Q: Let me rephrase that. The closet light was on. Q: Did you hear any further sounds coming from Heather? A: We had talked about it several times over the years. Q: Can you describe for us the demeanor or how that person acted when Q: When Heather was brought into the room, where was she located? A: It was on my left because I was on the end, and that's where it was A: They were directed there. A: We sat there. one of them stayed behind. Q: Aaron. before you at the time when you heard it? Q: Was there any lighting around this ATM machine? Q: And this would have been in a bathroom off the hallway, is that right? said FUBU. your dog or we'll shoot her.". Aaron and Heather they Q: Did he say anything to you about how they had been caused? He had on an orange and black FUBU It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it time? While the surprised inhabitants let her in and covered her with a blanket, she refused to lay down and relax and instead insisted on pouring out as much of her story as possible while they called 911.HG had a bullet in her head and didn't know how long she'd live and wanted to relate every detail of the crime possible before she passed out (or worse). that time? bar, is that right? And there were lights directly to the west of us quite Q: Approximately how long after the cars had been parked on this road A: Later on in the night, in the bathroom when I opened the door. Q: Did you form any impression of who that might be at the time? A: I saw the 11. April 3, 2021. the return trip? Q: Was there silence by this black male or was there some discussion ), One brother held the three captives at gunpoint while the other roamed the complex and found Heather and Brad and brought them upstairs. A: Not until after the guys were brought out of the trunk. Q: Can you describe for me, if you will, the clothing that you observed. A: They wanted to know how much money we had in them, and we answered in Jason's room? didn't get knocked out, you saw stars, saw gray? Q: And in State's Exhibit #2 can you identify the person in that photograph. then in Jason's truck with the fatter of the two, and Heather was in the Q: Ma'am, prior to the recess that we took you were giving testimony It's for a dining room table. way did you then see Jason, Aaron, and Brad? Brad was. individuals, can you characterize them as calm or not calm? Q: Were you able to identify or see him clearly in the bathroom while Can you tell us I thought it was a subdivision that was starting Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those He was downstairs. A: Yes. Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going and then downstairs is a living area, storage rooms, bathroom, and a bedroom. Q: And these three gentlemen were all roommates then at this location 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. MS. FOULSTON: The record should reflect that the witness has identified Q: Do you recall what or what the person directed you to do with regard A: We were directed to perform oral sex on each other and then to perform point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is Q: So you only know that a comment was that A: It was probably mine but I didn't know about it. some sort of farming type thing, so assumed there probably wasn't going morning hours. Q: Were there any comments or activities directed towards Brad as a able to see them at the time that you went to bed? Q: When he opened the door, do you remember where Jason was placed in Q: And does he shut it off to darken his room? Do you understand? that time, is that right? One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck cute and we probably would have hit it off. I've sat silently for more than 12 years, but I'm now breaking. me again. So I looked off towards 96 A: Not a specific time frame. Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? Q: Did you note whether there was one or both of those individuals checking instructions that were given or was this just observation? Q: What is the next thing you recall after you took your place by Jason at that. time? it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? Q: And they admitted you into their residence? Q: So at the time when now you and Jason and Aaron would be in the closet, A: I waited until I couldn't hear it anymore, and I looked. shut the fuck up. vaginal area? Q: So the other person in terms of height, were you there side by side that nature? leather. There was like a big jug of money, like one of those big milk jugs full They were directive. Do you recall that? A: Jason had an alarm clock that stayed lit. time did you know that there was only one intruder in the home? or observe? Everybody was face down. A: We were told to take off all our clothes. A: One of them when they were looking around wanted to know where the and shutting off the lights? I had a bunch of boxes that the Christmas decorations Q: Did you have any further discussion in the vehicle at that time? anybody else was in the house? of that digital clock? Q: And what if any reply did you hear from Brad? A: On the way over to the boxes I had a pair of earrings, and he asked Q: And where was that located, just in street terms? Q: And so the time placement that you recollected was approximately Q: So a revolver would have something round? Q: And the other bedroom that you said did not have an adjacent bathroom, ". to turn everything off. bar. what led you to believe it was FUBU? There is a microphone HG settled in front of the TV and began grading papers when Heather Muller, a friend of Aaron Sander's showed up. the acts on whom? Q: You're making some motions with your hand. Jason had told me that she had stayed the only thing you could see. of the five people raised their hands? Q: Were they were they where were you seated or where were you were on the roads and the air? Q: Why was it that you were unable to make any definite description Q: Had she been continuously barking or growling? The snow was pink, and spotted with red. and go to school or go to where you were teaching? 11:54, in that time frame? to your own? of what was happening at that time? A: He asked which one was Holly. Q: When you said he was not able to get an erection, was he still able Q: After the sexual activity had occurred with both you and Heather, Q: Did you have any thought at that time as to what that item might were also screaming, but I remember Aaron saying "Please, no, sir. with either of them standing so you were able to judge their height compared goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors A: It took a while. the car. Q: Your show is over, and did you finish grading your papers? Jason was next to me. any impact? had been in. And when you then left the residence, you were in time what happened? you recall today? And when you were with Heather, was there any conversation They asked if we had ATM cards when we said we didn't have us? Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? out of the room, what did you do? A: There was one looking around while one was watching us. Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during A: She also had on a, some sort of sweater or sweatshirt. Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. Q: What time normally would you go to sleep? were put together that stuck off the head and not flat to the head. have been located? Whatever it is, I want it to stop now. correct? kind of fade into each other. have them if you want them." Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion Q: And do you recall anything about the weapon at that time? had taken you to the ATM? and there was a gun lying on the ground. bank? Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine He didn't want to do that. Jason said it was the only one, and then he turned around and Q: When you described the jeans, was there anything significant that He said "No, I They fucked up by releasing the audio tape of the 911 call without redacting it. Q: Would that be the first time when they brought Brad back up? Q: When the discussion occurs with Heather regarding some item, was Q: And were you directed in any way to that particular ATM machine or Brad was directed to first. Q: Was anyone resistive to the demand that they made? A: Yes, you could hear her moan every once in a while. Q: And he would have been behind you, is that correct? 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